Paris CEN/ISSS mars 2003

Av Tore Hoel

Notater fra møtet i Paris 24. og 25. mars

  1. Agenda
  2. Mike Collett opening
  3. (13) Learning Technology Standards Observatory (Luis Anido-Rifón)
  4. (14) Interoperability frameworks for exchange of information between diverse management systems (Luis Anido-Rifón)
  5. Adriadne Erik Duval
  6. Interoperability of learning object repositories - LORI - Erik Duval
  7. LTSC general (Erik Duval)
  8. (03) Update on LTSC /Copyright situation within IEEE (Erik Duval)
  9. (05) New Workshop proposal on open source management systems architecture (Michel Arnoud, France)
  10. Statement on open source - open and vague in response to the French proposal
  11. (15) Final Report Repository of taxonomies/vocabularies for a European Learning Society (Frans van Assche)
  12. European Schoolnet Liason Report (Riina Vuorikari)
  13. Cedefop Liason report
  14. (07.1) Description of Learning Resource Capabilities with respect to Accessibility Requirements (Andy Heath/Petri Virtanen/Demetrios Sampson)
  15. SIF & The Global Community Tim Magner
  16. (06) Learner Profile
  17. (04) Educational Copyright licencing conditions Richard Mc Cracken, OU UK Head of Rights, gikk gjennom sin rapport
  18. IMS - verbal report, Lorna
  19. (08) Report from the European Quality Observatory (Riina Vuorikari)
  20. New work items
  21. Next meetings

bullet1 Finished   Agenda

» See document: http://www.estandard.no/docs/intern/CEN_Paris_0303/Agenda14thmeeting.html

bullet1 Finished   Mike Collett opening

  • Collaboratation and cooperation international way....
     
    • Strengthen links to National Bodies, particulary outside Europa
       
    • Lots of overlap - at least people
       
    • Lessons from Varseilles (konferansen)
       
      • Language
         
      • Reflects the needs from user communities and not too tech biased
         
  • Presentasjon
     
  • Deltakere - ingen fra Sverige
     

bullet1 Finished   (13) Learning Technology Standards Observatory (Luis Anido-Rifón)

» See document: http://www.gist.uvigo.es/~lanido/LTSO/

  • Diskusjon om forfatter/redaktøransvar og -prosedyrer
     
  • Hva er hensikten - skal følge journalistisk tilnærming - eller akademisk (peer-review) - offisiell....
     

bullet1 Finished   (14) Interoperability frameworks for exchange of information between diverse management systems (Luis Anido-Rifón)

  • SIF and OASIS
     
  • PT delivered a report on SIF
     
    • See PT website
       
  • OASIS is trying to get data from 4 ministries and compare with SIF
     
  • OASIS is using xml to define their data model - cen might prefer to prod a conceptiual model working back from this xml binding
     
  • OASIS WP2....
     
  • OASIS vil focus on Europea... of SIF while the PT will assure that SIF does not overlap other standards/specs
     

bullet1 Finished   Adriadne Erik Duval

  • 6 years exp of sharing & reuse of learning objects
     
  • Interoperability with
     
    • PedCare - repository
       
    • Other LMS...
       
  • Development
     
    • Authoring tools
       
    • Knowledge pool system
       
    • WebLE
       
      • Webbased learning environment
         
  • Knowledge Pool
    » See document: http://rubens.cs.kuleuven.ac.be:8989/silo/
     
    • 3259 LOM instances
       
    • 5,1 MB
       
    • XML generated off the ARIADNE Knowledge Pool System
       
  • Users will not enter any metadata
     
    • Docs automaticly into the course and into the Knowledge Pool System
       
    • Leuven: integrated in LMS
       
  • ARIADNE conference 20 - 21 Nov 2003
     
  • Interesting   Standarder må produseres med utgangspunkt i behov og begrunnes ut fra bruk - av end users som benytter verktøy!
     
  • 5 published WGA
     

bullet1 Finished   Interoperability of learning object repositories - LORI - Erik Duval

  • Europe plays a leading role
     
    • ARIADNE & Universal
       
    • Expertise & working infrastructures
       
  • No interoperability at the moment - interoperability could help to reach critical mass
     
  • Opportunities
     
    • Binding independent description of services
       
    • Bindings for such services
       
    • Architectural model
       
      • Client/server and P2P
         
      • Federated search, harvesting, ...
         
    • This is different
       
      • Not data model, vocabulary etc
         
      • Focus on functionalities & services
         
  • Hybrid architectures
     
  • Phases
     
    • Explore and assess opportunities
       
      • Cwa end 2003
         
      • Bases on case study that interlinks 2 or more repositories
         
    • Actual standardization work
       
  • IMS spec interop Norm Friesen working on that one
     
    • No bindings there now
       
  • Forslag tilsendt etter møtet
    » See document: cen-work-item_repositories.pdf
     

bullet1 Finished   LTSC general (Erik Duval)

  • Web site to be re-designed
     
  • Next meetng Juni 18 - 20 University of Chicago
     
  • New study Group: Modeling and Simulation
     
  • Work Group of architech - now ready
     
  • DREL Dig right expr lang
     
    • PAR for trial recommended practice
       
  • CMI
     
    • Adivisory committee - also SCORM
       
    • Both important   Web presence ~CEN....... <> CEN Observatory
       
  • Reusable Competency Definitions
     
    • Wants to base on IMS's specificaton "Reusable definitions for Competencies and Educational Objectives"
       
  • LOM
     
    • Genral business
       
    • RDF binding
       
      • Disc on whether it implements the LOM conceptual model, or is independent solution for the same scope of problems
         
    • ISO11404
       
      • Problem to get traction
         
    • LOM-XML
       
    • ADRIADNE now 3259 LOM instances
       
      • Can be imported in repositories - check out...
         
  • LO symposium 24th og June - during the EdMedia conference Hawaii
     

bullet1 Finished   (03) Update on LTSC /Copyright situation within IEEE (Erik Duval)

  • Translations on LOM document
     
  • LOM document is copyrighted
     
  • CEN requsted agreement long time ago
     
  • Also others have "problems": ADL/SCORM, IMS, ADRIADNE
     
  • Others than LOM
     
    • CMI in SCORM & ADRIADNE
       
  • Others than us
     
    • Educatiors, designers, people all over the world
       
  • Proposal
     
    • Distribution for no chare
       
    • Use at part of other works, translations, etc,
       
    • Maintaining LTSC standard as normative doc.
       
    • IEEE to be compensated
       
      • Expensive!   Total of <$ 17.000/year
         
      • Expensive!   5 year arrangement preferred $85.000
         
    • Contributions from corporate, academic to be acknowledge on download web site
       
  • Question
     
    • Are you sure about this?   Agree with general scheme?
       
    • Are you sure about this?   Do we want to contribute to he funding?
       
  • This is good Expensive!   Konklusjon: Man ønsker å gå inn på forslag til å få til en løsning med betaling for fem års bruk for alle, og en løsning med bidrag som gjør at alle kan betale og få credit, ikke bare M$
     

bullet1 Finished   (05) New Workshop proposal on open source management systems architecture (Michel Arnoud, France)

  • Business model - low purchase prices
     
  • Basic sandards aimed at lowering the cost of educational tools
     
  • Naiv framstillng av en fransk professor - lego allergori
     
  • Phase 1 - specify the functional and software bricks and interfaces
     
    • EML, RDF, LRM, usage scenarios osv.
       
  • Phase 2 Design and devolopment of interfaces
     
    • Existing platforms
       
    • Prototyping..
       
  • Deliverables
     
    • 2 CWA a year
       
    • Format: UML with descriptions of inputs-outputs routines
       
  • Timescale
     
  • Kan ikke bruke Powerpoint
     
  • French proposal... sent to Ministry of Research
     
  • Arnaud@ext.jussieu.fr
     
  • Duval: Should be embedded in wider context... sympathy..... but who are really behind this...
     
  • Lorna: there is a architech work done in Valkenburg group EML..
     
  • Dødfødt forslag - de forstår ikke hva dette dreier seg om - eller har vanskelig for å forklare hva de vil.... Og de virker ikke helt informert om hva som foregår utenfor France....
     
  • Duval: Open Source bør ikke være første krav - da kan man ikke bruke interessante byggeblokker som har en kjent spesifikasjon, men som ikke er OS.
     
    • Spesifikacations and implementations - these should not be muddled
       
  • Summary
     
    • General positive support for general ideas
       
    • Consider if there is any actions coming out of this...
       
    • Er ennå ikke et draft of a proposal - bare tanker...
       
    • Clarify the relation to the consortium that appears to be forming...
       
    • Forsee further drafts....
       
  • Interesting   Konklusjon: Fransk forslag i tåka!
     

bullet1 Statement on open source - open and vague in response to the French proposal

» See also: (05) New Workshop proposal on open source management systems architecture (Michel Arnoud, France)

bullet1 Finished   (15) Final Report Repository of taxonomies/vocabularies for a European Learning Society (Frans van Assche)

  • ISO 639-x
     
    • ISO 639-1 (2 letters)
       
    • Done   ISO 639-2 (3 letters)
       
  • Bindings for Language
     
  • Repository Issuses
     
    • Values entered comma og <br>
       
  • Next steps
     
    • Deadline for comments: 1. April
       
    • Submission for balloting 15 May
       
    • Paper to ICALT conference
       
  • Future activities
     
    • Harmonisation
       
      • Of simple vocubularies
         
      • Harmonisation of Thesauri
         
      • Investigate APIs for vocabularies
         
      • Bindings (?) for voc mappings, querying vocabularies
         
    • Awareness raising
       
      • Contact people to populate repository
         
      • Raise visibility of repository
         
    • Tech development
       
      • Tech support for harm support
         
      • Import/export from repository
         
      • Extend respository to collect schemes
         
    • Repository of LO Collections (withdrawn as work item)
       
      • LOM descriptors at the collection level and inheried by instance level
         
      • Quality descriptors and methods of qual assurance
         
      • A single repository of LO is impossible
         
  • Konklusjon: Her har vi noe å se nærmere på i Norge, jf. dialogen mellom Utdanning.no og Læringssenteret om metadata ved læringsressurser.
     

bullet1 Finished   European Schoolnet Liason Report (Riina Vuorikari)

  • Celebrate.eun.no
     
    • Large scale project
       
    • Pedagogy for the design and use of coll. and interop LO in integrated learning environments
       
    • Demo protals
       
    • Eval ped & tech impact and interoperable LOs
       
    • Establ a User Group
       
      • Brussel meeting end of month 28.3.2003
         
        • 60 people interesting
           
    • New appl. profil based on LOm
       
      • Editor: Lassi Nirhamo
         
    • New voc. use of thesaurus
       
  • Insight.eun.org
     
    • Knowledge base for new technology and education
       
    • Target aud: Policy makers
       
    • Section on standard...
       
      • Monthly insight run by Riina
         
      • SIF
         
      • Learning Design
         
      • Transforming eKnowl
         
      • Open source etc
         
  • New report on VLE - still a little restricted...
     
    • European Schoolnet will publish a report Virtual Learning Environments for European Schools, a Survey and Commentary later in 2003.
       
    • What is missing is a long-term strategy to develop a modular management information system (MIS) that allows seamless data exchange between different applications to be used in one school or even on the regional, or even national, level.
       
  • ESchola
    » See document: http://www.eun.org/eun.org2/eun/en/index_eschola2002.cfm
     
    • Launched by end of March
       
  • Spring Day of Europe
     
    • Futurum.eun.org
       
  • IP Release - re-enginering education
     

bullet1 Finished   Cedefop Liason report

  • Noe på ECTS osv.
     
  • Transparcy ....
     
  • IT-Profiles and Curricula
     
  • European Training Village
     
  • Her kan det være noe for Katalogprosjektet
     

bullet1 Finished   (07.1) Description of Learning Resource Capabilities with respect to Accessibility Requirements (Andy Heath/Petri Virtanen/Demetrios Sampson)

  • "IMS so successful in doing this stuff - thinking of chat meetings...."
     

bullet1 Finished   SIF & The Global Community Tim Magner

» See document: http://www.sifinfo.org/

  • Non-profit membership org
     
    • 100 K-12
       
  • Jointly building the XMNL spec....
     
  • SIF Profile
     
    • Not inventing the wheel... IMS, NCES; SPEEDE, ExPRESS...
       
    • Customizable
       
    • Platform independent/vendor neutral
       
      • Open standards: xml, tcp/ip, http etc
         
    • Open standard
       
  • The integration problem
     
    • Food
       
    • Student administration
       
    • Communication
       
    • Library
       
  • The SIF Zone
     
    • Logical grouping of applications
       
    • Agent moves data into the zone
       
  • SIF Message Types
     
    • Events
       
      • Real time data exh
         
    • Request/respons
       
    • Asynchronous messaging
       
  • School benefits
     
    • 100 schools & districts in US & Canada
       
    • Horizontal ineroperability
       
    • Streamlined data entry
       
    • Staff time...
       
    • ...
       
  • Vertical interoperability
     
    • Seamless reporting - local, regional, nation
       
    • Reduce burden on schools
       
    • Use 'management' data as core data set for reporting
       
    • Data driven decision making
       
  • Horizontal Questions
     
    • K12 data model
       
    • Accountability, reporting, planning, etc
       
      • Books
         
      • Transport
         
      • Food
         
      • Voice
         
      • Library
         
    • Data warehousing
       
  • K12 verticals
     
    • Admistr support
       
    • Teaching & learning
       
    • Reporting & accountability
       
  • School - local - regional - national
     
  • Vertical reporting
     
    • Data center, government department
       
  • SIF Compliance
     
    • 3rd party validation of application conformance
       
    • Confidence for purchasers
       
    • Validation for vendors
       
    • Test application functionality
       
    • Verifies data delivery
       
  • SIF Agent model
     
    • One set of code to enable interoperab...
       
  • Internationalization of SIF
     
  • SIF Specification
     
    • SIF Global Messaging Infrastructure
       
      • Sif global common data set
         
      • Sif local data set(s)
         
    • Global Compliance Program
       
  • International process
     
    • Infrastructure
       
      • Singloe global infrastructure
         
      • Evaluate local use cases to see that they are met by the Infrastructure
         
    • Existing Data Set
       
      • Eval ex data set to internationalize where possible/valuable
         
    • Local/geography specific data set
       
    • Compliance program
       
    • Government endorsement & School Adoption
       
    • Involve all members in a single Infrastructure Working Group etc...
       
  • Www.sifinfo.org
     
    • Tmagner@siia.net
       
      • Sjekk om han kommer til Europa - Eva, Uninett ABC
         
  • Quest...
     
  • IMS
     
    • Har en del QT som er basert på IMS QTI...
       
    • Deltar i IMS-arbeidet
       
  • UK
     
    • Gerry LTScotland
       
    • BECTA
       

bullet1 Finished   (06) Learner Profile

  • (06.1)  Learner Profile in IT-supported learning environments from a European perspective (Daniel Gondouin)
    » See document: CWA learner profile.doc
     
    • Coming back in Greece
       
    • What is a Learner Profil
       
      • The learner produced own him/herself
         
      • The learner & teaching inst know about the learner
         
    • Inclu what the learner learnt through experience
       
    • Is a testemonium....
       
    • Different profiles to different audiences
       
    • Repositry about a learner - to provide to different audiences
       
    • Multiple instances - coordinated
       
    • Not about institutions - ness to think about that
       
    • Very few vocabularities to use with LIP
       
    • Academic vs. employer perspective on learning
       
      • Table 8
         
      • Links to competencies
         
    • RDCEO Repositories
       
  • Learner Profile Components
     
    • Eur Diploma mapping to IMS LIP
       
    • UK HE Transcript mapping til LIP
       
    • Mapping of CEDEFOP spec toi LIP
       
    • Ets
       
    • Extensions of LIP vocabularies
       
    • Euro need for privacy
       
    • UK Peter Rees Jones
       
      • LIP reciever ... UK willing to work with other communities.....
         
      • LIP has done all what wanted to it - now moving on to learners own ....
         
      • Interest also FE and K12 - interest of the employers....
         
        • Ex nursing....
           
      • Problem with Unique identifiers
         
        • Data protection issues serious problems
           
    • Phillippe Tissot CEDEFOP tools
       
      • Eur CD Format back bone
         
  • Disabililty etc... Bucurest-fyr med bad English
     
    • IMS emp that disabilities is under way
       
    • Ser ut til å være tilfreds med IMS
       
  • Enhaced language capabilities to LIP
     
  • Privacy
     
    • How do we describe accessability, disabiliby - let the learners be able to say about themselves
       
    • How long do you maintain data
       
  • (06.2)  A comparison of LIP and (formerly called) PAPI Learner (Frank Farance)
    » See document: http://farance.com/
     
    • Background
       
      • Health care
         
      • Info models became very very complex
         
      • Privacy
         
      • Trust
         
    • PAPI Learner 1997 - 2002
       
      • Contact
         
      • Relations
         
      • Security
         
      • Preference
         
      • Performance
         
      • Portifolio
         
      • Privacy main motivations for breaking into pieces
         
        • Participant identifiers
           
        • Deidentified info being shared with others in specific contexts
           
    • PAPI originally develop0ed in IEEE LTSC 1998 by IMS and Faraqnce INC
       
    • Transferred to SC36 in late 2001
       
      • Harmonize with CLFA
         
    • ISO/IEC 19773
       
    • ISO/IEC 20944 Metada Interoper and Bindings
       
    • ISO/IEC 19786 Partricipant Accommodation Information
       
      • Deontic descriptions
         
        • Shall
           
        • Should
           
        • May
           
        • May not
           
        • Should not
           
        • Shall not
           
      • Capabilities based on
         
        • Declaration of comformance to stds/specs
           
        • Conformatity may be assessed and or certified
           
        • Supports inclusion of certificate
           
        • Support inclusion of marks
           
      • Matching
         
      • Ease of use
         
    • The process
       
      • IMS LIP invited to comment
         
        • IMS startet opp på nytt etter at de la ned arbeidet med PAPI....
           
    • LIP vs. PAPI
       
      • Are you sure about this?   Flip, flap, flup
         
    • Konklusjon
       
      • Frank: Ikke finn opp hjulet på nytt - bruk ISO standarder og beskriv det som ikke er beskrevet....
         
      • LIP har ikke portfolio (UK)
         
      • UK - LIP klarte langtidskompetansebeskrivelser bra - dvs. det utdanningsinstitusjonene og universitetetene ville ha. Men hva med det studentene selv ønsker?
         
      • UK undersøker nå LIP - men har ikke gjort noe endelig valg.....? Midpoint implementing LIP - evaluate now what to go next - de vil kommunisere dette gjennom Learner Information Work Group
         
  • Are you sure about this?   Something final this Summer?
     

bullet1 Finished   (04) Educational Copyright licencing conditions Richard Mc Cracken, OU UK Head of Rights, gikk gjennom sin rapport

» See document: WS-LT_N_0153_DRAFT_REPORT_STANDARD_COPYRIGHT_LICENSING.doc

  • Interesting   Creative commons intesting! under Open Source section 2.4
     
    • This is good   Clear language
       
  • 2.4.6 American Physical Society....
     
  • OBS - de som ser på dette som et securityspørsmål - at bare å ha noe er en offence mot DR
     
  • Use case approach asked for by the floor to be able to recommend people
     
  • Interesting   Søk fram dokumentet! Oppdatert ift. min utskrift (fra møtepapirene)
     
  • Summary
     
    • Study report
       
    • Written comments on the email reflector
       
      • Positive suggestions to adding text
         
    • LOM - integrated/connection
       
    • Are you sure about this?   Rec ex systems?
       
    • Are you sure about this?   Create and modify systems?
       
    • Finanal CWA at Tessaloniki meeting
       

bullet1 Finished   IMS - verbal report, Lorna

  • 10 released specifications
     
    • 4 Feb. 2003
       
  • 1. gen spec - undergoing maintance - i.e. CPackaging
     
  • Charter IMS metadata being replaced by LOM
     
  • IMS changed working procedure and structure
     
    • SIGs - new
       
      • Accessability
         
      • Voculab
         
      • Metadata Tony Roberts, CanCore, + UK - secondary usage metadata - research now
         
      • Entrerprise
         
      • Digital library
         
      • Active content SIG (big bucket SIG)
         
        • API
           
        • Simulations
           
        • Mobile device support
           
  • Abstract framework
     
    • Guidance framework for specifications
       
    • Are you sure about this?   Public end of April?
       
    • Glossary of spec terminology
       
  • Italy next meeting
     

bullet1 Finished   (08) Report from the European Quality Observatory (Riina Vuorikari)

  • European Quality Observartory
     
    • 2003 - 3.2005
       
  • Mission
     
    • Ict training learning & education
       
  • Scope
     
    • Framework for observing.....
       
  • Goals & focus
     
    • Based on CWA 14644 Quality....
       
    • Internet-based repository
       
      • Prototype by 12.2003
         
    • Recommendations
       
    • Services
       
    • Promote standards....
       
    • European Quality Community
       
  • Repository
     
    • Obervatory
       
    • Community
       
  • Jan.pawlowski@wi-inf.uni-essen.de
     
  • Elm.wi-inf.uni-essen.de
    » See document: http://elm.wi-inf.uni-essen.de/
     

bullet1 Finished   New work items

  • Harmonization of vocabularies
     
  • Interoperability of LO repositories
     
  • Accessibility (specific focus)
     
  • European version of Creative Commons licence
    » See document: http://creativecommons.org/
     
  • Open source management systems???
     
  • Quality???
     

bullet1 Finished   Next meetings

  • 7 - 8 July Greece Thessaloniki
     
  • 6 - 7 October Vienna, Austria
     
  • 26 27 January 2004, Madrid Spain
     

Please send your comments to Tore Hoel. This document was updated 02.04.2003.